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ryanjkirk 0 points1 point 8 months ago[-]

I can't find a direct quote now, but I know I've heard it been said often that now is the time for the Zion to be "where the Saints are." It is specifically not time for us to move to Missouri. Buying land might be useful, but also seems like a great luxury that most would be unable to afford these days.

Are you suggesting moving there now?

cookiecaper [S] 0 points1 point 8 months ago[-]

Most wouldn't be able to afford it, that's right. But there are now and have been many very, very wealthy members; one of my old bosses (whom I quite dislike, by the way) has hundreds of millions of dollars, and there are many others likewise. We can all name some of them off; Huntsman, Romney, etc. These people and their progenitors and progeny all have ample resources that buying up significant land in that area would barely dent anything. So, those are the people I'm targeting when I mention our failure to follow that imperative.

I'm not suggesting that we move there now, at least not with any degree of organization or officiality to it. That's something to be careful about -- most enclaves or compounds veer into apostate cultishness very, very quickly, so I think a crucial element in any mass migration is organized and appropriately, officially sanctioned Priesthood leadership.

I actually grew up in that area and think it's a great area, and that it'd be awesome if swaths of Mormons independently decided to relocate in advance of the official colonization, I think that that would be really, really good and cool, so I encourage people to move there when feasible, but not in the context of an official migration or calling.

That said, I do think that the time for us to move to Missouri will come sooner if larger bodies of Saints wake up from their Gentile ways and prayerfully and always within Priesthood boundaries and leadership consider our special mission and purpose.

It is our unique responsibility as a people to create a Zion city, a place that can receive not only Enoch's city but also the Lord God Himself. We must pray for opportunities to fulfill that responsibility, we must work toward it intently; following basic, repeated commissions in scripture which are obviously preparatory to the successful commencement of Zion like "buy up land in Missouri" seems like a good starting point.

We know from revelation that critical mass on all of this will hit when the time of the Gentiles comes in, and I think that that's our most immediate concern: see that the Gospel is carried around the globe, preached on every climb, in every tongue, to every people, so that the time of the Gentiles can come in and we can move on.

We know that as the time of the Gentiles comes in, many of these great things will begin to roll forth; Israel will take back up its strength, including its branches, including American Indians, who will play a key role in the construction of the New Jerusalem. So, the key now is missionary work.

I want to be clear that this isn't a criticism of the Church as an organization; they're already doing an amazing job, imo, at motivating these events. I just believe things would not only happen faster but happen better, in a manner of speaking, if the Saints generally sought to understand these things, implored the Lord regarding their occurrence, and altogether internalized our mission and calling.

We all seem to understand that missionary work is important, but few seem to have much perspective on it (they assume it will continue more or less as presently constituted until the Second Coming), and few seem to understand that the Lord is waiting on us to complete our assignment.

Many seem to want to live generally like Gentiles and not like Saints, and they follow the philosophies of the Gentiles in politics, economics, relationships, governance, dominion, law, exchange, and most other significant fields (with a few notable general exceptions, like the Word of Wisdom).

I understand that we must cope with the world we currently inhabit as we serve in this time. I just feel that the attitude of "wait and see" is too prominent among our membership, and I am excited to see much, much more zeal for fulfilling the mission wherewith the Lord God has charged us. Many great blessings wait for the generations that will accomplish this, and I want to be with them.

ryanjkirk 0 points1 point 8 months ago[-]

I just feel that the attitude of "wait and see" is too prominent among our membership

Nailed it. Guilty as charged.