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Discussion and info on politics from an LDS perspective. Civility is a must here, and incivility, veiled or direct, will be removed and its posters will be subject to discipline.

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MGalt 1 point2 points 7 months ago[-]

Come on cookiecaper "expunging this blog from aggregation and common readership" isn't this a bit much? I mean really if you don't agree with ideas put forward that's fine, if you don't want to read something, cool. But to advocate such action is a little over the top isn't it? Some how the content of thespiritofthelaw.blogspot.com is bad but its OK for you use fake swear words like WTF? ( I should not as an aside that I'm actually OK for some one to use WTF but find it funny coming from some one who is advocating a self righteous opinion on what is and is not a good representation of the church.)

If you dug a bit further you would have found that the attacks and disagreement with politicians went all the way back to bush as well as Obama. And it seems too simple of an answers to even give it to your question "Why do we accept this kind of thing?" We'll maybe because your not in charge of what people can think and say. Are you really this closed off to people who may not think like you? I don't agree with everything posted on my blog but I allow it because I think that its only through the expression of ideas, any idea, that we can come to some kind of idea of what is right. If your logic and way of thinking is better then everyone else's then let it compete in the arena of ideas. It appears by your call to arms that you are afraid of this arena.

As an aside I actually agree with a number of things you said and thought you where defending yourself against others quite well on my blog. Instead of calling for it to be black listed why not come post on it and put your ideas forward, I will give you free rain to post whatever you like. If your interested let me know, you can tell everyone how right you are and what we need to do to correct our thinking. Just post on my blog and let me know and I'll give you my email and I will set you up.

cookiecaper [S] 0 points1 point 7 months ago[-]

My intention is not to prevent your ability to publish or disseminate your viewpoints or whatever you want generally. I reported your blog because, as I've said several times on this site, the propagandist, self-indulgent viewpoint is damaging to Mormonism generally and persons who espouse it should not be promoted or upheld on sites that aspire to offer decent reading for Latter-day Saints.

Most of the entries I saw mentioned the gospel only in passing, and use it as a platform to rail against Obama or Democrats generally.

I'm sorry if you took offense -- I don't want to create any resentment. I just feel that the content of your blog is not conducive to uplifting or edifying discussion because it promotes an idle, lemming-like philosophy based not on reason but rampant offense and nationalism.

I appreciate your invitation and decorum on this, and I hope you reign in your bloggers and demand a higher standard of content.

MGalt 0 points1 point 7 months ago[-]

Don't worry I'm not offended by anything you have said, a bit surprised but not offended.

So let me get this right. What people post on my blog is bad because it is lemming like and damaging to Mormonism but your attitude of self righteousness, condensation and populor passing vanaculure for curse words as used in "WTF" some how shinees the gosple in a better light?

Lets not confuse the exchange of differing ideas as the philosphy of the blog as a whole. People are able to exchange thier ideas openly on our blog, as I stated befor I actully agreed with some of what you had to say and thought your coments where thoughtfull and well put. But to gernlize the blog as a whole the way you have doenst seem in keeping with what appers to be a rationalized mode of thought. I understand some like Great White hope come accross wrong to certain people and perhaps you havent seen the posting in the past where I have debated with him on his beliafes and attutudes.

I find it intersitng that you jumped rigth to the conclusion that I thought you advocated the removing of us or our abuilty when all I sugested was that your statments as posted in this blog took the issue too far. Your retoric on the issue seems just as over the top as that of anyone you have debated on thespiritofthelaw who you claim takes things too far.

My inventation stands, I would love to have you post on our blog. You seem to have a differnt point of view I want to hear more of. If you can correct others thinking along the way all the better for your point of view right? Keep in mind however I have no intinion of restraining the agincy of othersby reigning them in.

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ryanjkirk 1 point2 points 7 months ago[-]

Amazing.

mdundee 1 point2 points 7 months ago[-]

I've always seen a distinction between our church and contemporary evangelical alternatives in how we approach our faith. While several denominations subscribe to the sound-bites-of-fire-and-brimstone-coupled-with-ostracizing-independent-thinkers school of religion the church has always encouraged discussion and independent thought.

We make this clear at first contact with a nonmember that wishes to be taught. In the end personal conviction born of ones own communication with ones God is what matters. And God has made it abundantly clear that he expects us to do our own thinking if we expect to be helped.

Regretfully there has always been a contingent that is willing to turn of their brains and live of of their primary level understanding of the gospel for life. These same people have a tendency to apply this principle in all walks of life making them prime targets for propaganda.

This is why uniting with evangelicals in political campaigns is so dangerous. A lot of members with shallow understanding of the gospel start absorbing the evangelical mindset and evangelical talking points, believing that they are official church stances. I have seen members bring up how evolution is against the gospel, how public healthcare is against the gospel, how certain things that are commandments should be made illegal etc. All these things have in common that the church has never spoken on the subject. No revelation has been given. The church is not against the theory of evolution. Never has been. The church is not republican. Never has been (In fact about 100 years ago it was considered unthinkable to vote anything but democrat if you were a member. Republicans used to be our greatest persecutors.)

I wish people would realize that the republican candidate at the stand railing against abortion and gay marriage has no intention of actually following through on his claims. In fact he doesn't care about it one bit. He just wants your vote. The republicans had control of congress for 12 years 6 of which they also had the presidency. Did they do a single thing about it? No. In fact it was during that period that gay marriage became legal in the places it has been. The lesson here is: Look at actions, not talking points. A politicians righteousness is not determined by if he professes a similar belief as you on a fringe topic.

calico 0 points1 point 7 months ago[-]

This is what I like about Ron Paul. He does what he says and is consistent with his view points and stands up for what HE believes in. Sure he would like to get more votes and more people on his side, but he doesn't sacrifice his honor for them. Hopefully he never will. We need more people involved in politics that actually care about upholding the constitution of our country more than getting votes and getting rich. Just about the only people you find in the major parties are there for the $$ which is disappointing to say the least. Some hide it better than others, which is why it is SO important for Latter Day Saints to really find out what it going on and do their research on the leaders that have been elected.

calico 0 points1 point 7 months ago[-]

I don't think that expunging it is really the way to go because it violates free speech which is part of everyone's constitutional right. Mormons are supposed to stand for and advocate freedoms like that. Also, mormons are supposed to emit a christlike attitude towards their fellow man no matter how wrong they think the other person is. And "towards their fellow man" includes those who are speaking against Obama and Bush and others. Keep it nice. You can state your opinion without getting angry or overly excited about the issue. When you do this, it diminishes the view that non-mormons have about mormons being self-righteous and hypocritical and such. :)

That being said, a good way to help get your personal opinion out there is to post your views to these sites so that an opposing opinion may be heard. I've noticed people tend to go with the flow on blogs and things like that out of wanting acceptance from others and out of fear of being ostrisized(sp?) for their differing opinions. But do it in a respectful way that doesn't belittle others views no matter how silly or wrong you may think they are. That's what these sites are for, to expand your knowledge and learn of others' perspectives and beliefs.

Also, I didn't read through all the links, mainly glazed over them so if something I wrote doesn't seem to apply, that's probably why.